Posted by Jay B. Good [184.59.150.91] on Sunday, October 06, 2013 at 18:31:49 :
In Reply to: Paint color? posted by Den in NJ [69.113.226.67] on Saturday, October 05, 2013 at 19:28:06 :
Found this on PWA site
From Clint Dixon
04-21-2013, 08:28 AM
Does anyone have a Dupont number or code. What year or years was it offered. Thanks.
This color was used on the Power-Wagons from 1946 through 1953. Although Seawolf Submarine Green was listed as the standard Power-Wagon color, and also as a color not available on any other Dodge trucks, I have seen many, many more Power-Wagons wearing original Dodge Truck Dark Green paint than the Seawolf shade.
Dodge Truck Dark Green was also used on other Dodge trucks as well as the Power-Wagon up through 1953, and from the paint chips I have seen, it appears to have been first offered in 1939. In 1938 there was a dark green that was listed as "Kiltie Green". This possibly could have been the same color and they just changed the name for 1939. Sometime in late 1953, Dodge Truck Dark Green was replaced with Ponchartrain Green which later became known as Pine Green. Whereas Dodge Truck Dark Green contained a substantial amount of bronze tinting, Ponchartrain Green relied heavily upon blue tinting to create its unique resulting shade. Side-by-side, Dodge Truck Dark Green, Ponchartrain Green, and Seawolf Submarine Green are three completely different colors with Sealwolf Submarine Green being the closest to olive drab of the three.
Dodge Truck Dark Green is a hard one to match. The last time I checked, the owner of the local commercial automotive paint supply company was still custom matching colors by trial and error. He said for Dodge Truck Dark Green there was no modern match. He would start with Forest Green and keep adding black and yellow until he had a visible match. He showed some samples where he had done this to other colors and it appeared to take him on the average of about 4 to 5 attempts to get it right. The guy was a true craftsman.
He explained that one of the reasons that Dodge Truck Dark Green would have to be hand matched is that the base that was used to create the original color was long ago discontinued. Chemical formulas have changed over the past 70 years. Old number codes are no longer valid with the new base formulas. He also indicated that once the color has been matched, it needs to be applied over black primer as was originally done on these trucks. Applying the color over red, grey, or another shade of primer would adversely effect the end result.
I have been told that current computer scanning of a clean sample can produce good results in matching the original color. I have not verified this. I have also been told that some of the original codes have been converted to modern formulas. Again, I have not verified this.
As far as original codes, here is what I have compiled so far. I have not verified the accuracy of any of these, and some were noted 25 years ago:
DuPont Dulux color - 93-6694
*unknown* - DQE-40028
Ditzler - 40028
PPG - 47221
Centari - 337-H
Dupont - 23796
Martin Senoir - 90L-162
And from David Speed in 2003:
PPG - "Value" line OMNI MBC basecoat / clearcoat
-Code----Color---Cumulative-Parts-
M113 Medium C 230.8 230.8
M120 Tinting 596.0 365.2
M117 Jet Blac 1519.6 923.6
M121 Green Sh 2058.0 538.4
M150 Basemake 4116.8 2058.8
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