Re: "You ever see paint peeling on a Harley?"


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Posted by Marty [50.68.51.62] on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 at 12:50:27 :

In Reply to: Re: "You ever see paint peeling on a Harley?" posted by Paul(in NY) [12.64.180.221] on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 at 09:12:46 :

Paul, You're talking to the wrong people.
There are 2 reasons to powder coat as opposed to paint.. a) You're manufacturing something like toolboxes, bumpers, lawn funiture, plant hanging brackets, widgets, whatever & the market won't bare the cost of any proper coating & so there's cheap ass powder coat applied by folks that specialize in "Cheap Coatings"...& there's 95% more of those guys than the quality powder coating guys. b) You're manufacturing something where durability is your number one concern & people will pay for the added costs of proper powder coat applied properly.
Motorcycles, for example, the fenders & tanks are painted conventionally with a base coat where 2 tones & fancy air brush jobs are possible but then they clear them with powder coating because it's 10 times more durable. Clearing them with PPG clear would obviously be much, much cheaper & less time consuming.
Virtually every chassis part on your Dodge ram is powder coated. Virtually every colored part on your Cummins is powder coated. If you go buy a new fender from Dodge...the black coating is powder coating & it's the best primer available.
PPG isn't bad paint Paul but it's not the best paint...just an economical automotive paint. It holds up well if applied properly but not as well as proper powder coating & not as well as many less expensive epoxies.
There's hundreds of articles on the subject but it's like this..here's the hard truth...Both Clint & yourself do excellent fabricating & both of your work always impresses me...but I wouldn't bring my truck to either of you to be painted. Ha Ha! :)
Don't get me wrong, your trucks look great but I know more than you in this field & you're not listening & so you're not going to learn about it.
Powder coating has made huge strides over the past decade & if you'd asked me even 5 years ago, I'd probably have agreed with you but not any longer. For another example, my car trailer is a PJ trailer. To my knowledge, PJ is the only trailer manufacturer that's 100% powder coating their trailers. This trailer of mine is 7 years old now & I bought it from the government where it was used to haul their road equipment. It's been used on the worst salty roads in North America & I've never washed it. Yes, it has chips in the coating...the whole front of the trailer has been sand blasted from my truck tires & it's got lots of bare metal & rust spots...no paint lifting or peeling anywhere.
Look, I'm happy if you're happy with your system & if I was doing a frame tomorrow...I'd probably paint it too because I can do it myself for less than $100.
There's lots of drawbacks with powder coating, such as coating parts that need repair work or are pitted & fillers are difficult to use with p/c but adhesion is not one of the problems...like everything else though...when applied properly.
I'm not trying to convince you because you seem very happy with your system but there's better systems available, both visually & durability for those that are just starting to restore their first truck. My dad is still using red oxide primer for priming his bare metal because that's what they did in the 50's & I don't try to change his ways either :) :)



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